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75 Adobe Fireworks Extensions-It is better than Photoshop

speckyboy.com — We all know how powerful and how great Adobe Photoshop is, we know that all the best graphic designers use it, we also know that Photoshop when mastered lets you create amazing art.Sadly, we also know it is very, very expensive. What is the answer? Adobe Fireworks. Yes, it can be almost as powerful. I promise...

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  • advtise, on 08/28/2008, -16/+53Fireworks rules....:)
    • LucasVB, on 08/29/2008, -1/+6Quick question, does Fireworks still hijack the PNG extension to itself? In the old days, it would associate itself with PNG files no matter what you did. It was very annoying and very stupid. Why not make their own file format instead of hijacking an existing one?

      So, is it still like that?
      • ngmcs8203, on 08/29/2008, -6/+1No it does not. Adobe CS3 Master Collection and it defaults to PS CS3
      • dkla, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3I agree.
      • dullnation, on 08/29/2008, -0/+4@ngmcs8203
        you must have changed your file associations because all versions of CS3 that include Fireworks default PNGs to it. Effing annoying.
    • JohanMarcusGuy, on 08/29/2008, -15/+0Hey guys, hate to sound like a novice here, I moved past fireworks a long time ago when I got professionally hired to graphics-edit.

      In theory though, what does fireworks offer that macromedia flash doesn't? And please don't give me your canned salesman response. It's like I tell my wife "If God wanted me to hear lies he'd lie himself." Regardless, i've been cropping in macromedia flash for over eight year professionally, and the quality of work is constant.

      I really don't see the point in buying these overpriced digital programs.

      Please don't respond with your salesman responses, guys.

      Thanks,
      Johan Marcus Guy
      • LucasVB, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1I used to like Fireworks because it let me create vector-based raster graphics easily. It was rather good at that, as I recall. But that was a few years ago. Nowdays I just use Photoshop.
      • ngmcs8203, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3Well we use it to do mock-ups. It is leaps and bound better since moving into the suite package. You create mockups in it and can easily cycle between more detailed layouts created with illustrator/ps combinations. CS3 makes the process of developing sites much easier. Paper -> Fireworks -> Illustrator/PS -> Dreamweaver -> Web
      • katjas, on 08/29/2008, -0/+10Why do you sign your name? I can already see it on your profile...?
      • icaruscoil, on 08/29/2008, -1/+9"I just wanted to comment on this because as a professional women's water polo teacher, I see this kind of sexism run rampant, so excuse me if I rant."

        So you are a professional women's water polo teacher and a professional graphics editor. What don't you do dude? And please don't give me your canned salesman response. If I wanted to believe a lie I'd believe in god.

        Thanks,
        Professional Women's Water Polo Champion Guy
      • negativefx, on 08/29/2008, -1/+6@icaruscoil: "If I wanted to believe a lie I'd believe in god." priceless.
      • ttamshadbolt, on 08/29/2008, -1/+3ha, dude, you must be new to digg - you've broken like 14 rules in that one post
      • slowmotiony, on 08/29/2008, -1/+1I'm not your buddy, Guy.
      • dc2vegas, on 08/29/2008, -1/+1I'm not your guy, buddy!
      • dullnation, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2The only thing Fireworks really has over Photoshop (imo) is it's font rendering system. Photoshops font smoothing is usually down right nasty. Fireworks (and Flash) allow you to create custom smoothing which is nice because a lot of fonts look terrible at small sizes with the Photoshop smoothing options.
    • wukillabee, on 08/29/2008, -6/+1omg no it doesnt, because of fireworks they stopped developing imageready.. IR was the best app for making gifs from videos.. now its gone..


      ***** YOU FIREWORKS!!! ***** YOU ADOBE!!! ***** YOU MACROMEDIA!!!
      • Nicoon, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3They merged ImageReady with Photoshop.

        Also, ***** you.
      • aDJsavedmylife, on 08/29/2008, -0/+5You can make animated gifs in photoshop now you tit.
      • GawtMilk, on 08/29/2008, -0/+21) Calm Down
        2) File > Import > Video Frames as Layers
      • ch33sehead, on 08/30/2008, -0/+1You can make gifs in photoshop now, but you can't edit gifs that are already animated. This is a downgrade.
    • armandgunerio, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1advtise: "Fireworks rules....:)"

      dugg for telling the truth ;D
  • Merlinox, on 08/28/2008, -18/+11Really wonderful. I was need it!
  • dearmansoor, on 08/28/2008, -7/+8A great tool indeed.. it Rocks!
  • jggube, on 08/28/2008, -7/+19Adobe Fireworks is a good graphics creation tool.
    • ralphthemagi, on 08/29/2008, -0/+6For quick stuff, and for the web. For the web it can't be beat. You can turn mock-ups into usable CSS/HTML faster than anything else I know of, and you can keep it pixel accurate. It makes it super easy to draft something up, then convert everything to vectors.

      It's really the best tool out there for generating static images for render in a browser.

      It's completely unusable for print though. AFAIK it doesn't even really support CMYK. The filters are also pretty crappy. Even with some of the new Photoshop imports in CS3, they are all subpar and half of them don't really work right.

      I use Fireworks every day though. Love it.
    • wukillabee, on 08/29/2008, -3/+1it sucks major balls for making advance video gifs

      ***** THING SUCKS!
  • bradhart2, on 08/28/2008, -4/+16Fireworks is great, but if you can get an older copy of photoshop on ebay you still are better off in my opinion. An official PS 7 disk only cost me only $20 not so long ago...
    • Bamboolemur, on 08/29/2008, -2/+44We will keep that in mind, thank you. I have to go, I think my torrent finished downloading.
      • Elranzer, on 08/29/2008, -1/+2Indeed, in my opinion, Photoshop peaked at version 7.0, and every upgrade since 8 (CS1) has not really been worth.

        With the exception that only version 10 (CS3) works in Windows Vista. Forced upgrade, perhaps? Adobe could have easily released a patch for CS/CS2, but they didn't.
      • 7aji, on 08/30/2008, -0/+0CS3 actually is worth the upgrade if you have CS I think. The new interface is easier to use than CS and you really can feel how faster some filters are (liquefy), still you will need the extended version for all the features which is 600$ I think and that sucks!
    • bjornski, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3I still use 7.0 for most of my work too.

      It does everything I want to do, and it's a HELL of a lot more efficient than later versions.

      I still thought they achieved perfection with 5.0, but I do like 7.0. Anything after that just felt clunky and bloated to me.
      • winmywii, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1arghhhhhhhhhhh!
      • acronov, on 08/29/2008, -0/+0Well what exactly do you use Photoshop for. Professional art or simple photo editing.
      • bjornski, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2I used to do some commercial stuff with it, back when 5.0 and 7.0 were the current versions. I haven't needed to do anything extensive since then, so it's still suited my needs just fine.

        I haven't really tried some of the new effects and tools, again, because I haven't done as much with it, but I'm not saying they're not nice. Someone elsewhere in the thread mentioned photo-merge, and I think I'm gonna have to look into that. I don't NEED to, but it'll be fun to know. I've had CS on the machine before, and since I wasn't using the extra tools for what I was doing, it was all "overhead". I think I'll have to put it back on.

    • lazyfisherman, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2I would miss Smart Objects, Camera RAW + Adobe Bridge. When Bridge was released I was like... what the hell is this? but soon realized how much time it could save.

      Still, Photoshop 7.0 was an awesome release, the most useful and least bloated version they've ever made.
    • Chirp08, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1And then you only have to buy the upgrade discs in the future which are wayyyy cheaper ftw.
  • soniyashrma, on 08/28/2008, -1/+10it is very, very expensive.
    • shaherazad, on 08/29/2008, -3/+13Not if you pirate it...
      • ngmcs8203, on 08/29/2008, -0/+10Or have your company pay for it and then use your allotted second copy for your home.
      • tempusrob, on 08/29/2008, -0/+9Or if you're actually doing something with it that makes you money, since that's who it's targeted to.
    • brianpeiris, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3I'm sure any professional would say Photoshop/Fireworks is worth the cost, provided you actually use the software to its full potential.
      If you just need a quick but decent image editor now and then; GIMP (cross platform), Paint.NET (Windows) and Seashore/Pixelmator (OS X) are all suitable alternatives.
    • Meocross, on 08/29/2008, -1/+2Have you never heard of Mininova.
  • PureDesigner, on 08/28/2008, -0/+3Great list, but it would be better if we could download all these at once.
  • devblogzone, on 08/28/2008, -2/+4this is coool and very expensive
  • granolajoe, on 08/28/2008, -6/+27Fireworks is awesome. It can be much better than photoshop for creating quality web graphics with minimal effort.
    • wukillabee, on 08/29/2008, -4/+1imageready was and will be 20times better than fireworks..
      • cre8tivate, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3Imageready was Adobe's half-baked competitor to Fireworks as a result of Macromedia taking over web and new media design in the 90's.

        Photoshop=Print
        Fireworks=Web

        I've been using Fireworks for web design since Fireworks Beta 1.
    • vat0r, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1Fireworks is in my opinion the best application to use for web graphics. I personally find it far more intuitive the Photoshop.
    • HigherLogic, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1Photoshop is overkill for web graphics, it's really for image editing. Fireworks, however, is soley for web graphics. Just much easier to use when you're building the graphics for a website.
  • KillTheRhythm, on 08/28/2008, -6/+63Fireworks is really good but I wouldn't say it's better than Photoshop.
    • mathew_bug, on 08/29/2008, -0/+12They're really not comparable at all. This 'it is better than photoshop' thing is bollocks: Fireworks and Photoshop serve different purposes and that's why they both exist in the same company.

      Fireworks is not a cheaper version of Photoshop whatsoever.
    • lrdntwnd, on 08/29/2008, -0/+4That all depends on what you're trying to do. For web graphics, there's nothing better. It uses better compression algorithms for .gif, .jpg, and .png. And, I've found it's easier to do layout in Fireworks than in Photoshop. I guess it really comes down to what's easier for you, but I'd say that Fireworks does make many web design tasks easier.
      • mathew_bug, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1I don't argue that it can make web design tasks easier, that's its job.
        As for the algorithms, that's false. They both have the same algorithms, just go to 'save for web' option in Photoshop and you'll see what I'm talking about.
  • AmyVernon, on 08/28/2008, -1/+5I might check this out. I've been looking for something that focuses more on graphics creation that's not as expensive as photo shop..
  • mitchelwinters, on 08/28/2008, -0/+3oh yes.. this is something I can use
  • ry4nsm1th, on 08/28/2008, -0/+16I do like Fireworks, but there is so much more information out there to learn from for Photoshop.
    • HigherLogic, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2That's true, but most of the stuff you can learn for PS you would never need to apply to website graphics. Apples and oranges. PS is almost like using a sledge hamer to open a can of tuna, just not the right task for web graphics.
  • AchaIemoipas, on 08/28/2008, -11/+22What do you mean expensive?

    Download trial version, download key.
    • smackydoodle, on 08/29/2008, -4/+10There are still some people in the world that actually buy things they want to own.
    • joshman5k, on 08/29/2008, -0/+9I don't seem to mind people pirating it to try, or for educational uses. But if your wanting to make money doing web-design and the like, your a bit of an arsehole pirating it.
    • baconz, on 09/06/2008, -0/+1you're the type of person who complains when their sister gets raped by an inner city yoot. but pirating software is somehow ok. go figure.
  • syndustry, on 08/28/2008, -13/+4photoshop is bloated. I don't need to import unrendered 3d models...

    just learn the GIMP. once you get used to the interface it's just as powerful as photoshop (except for layer effects...but still...good *****)
    • wontstoptalking, on 08/28/2008, -1/+7That's why you need to hit a button to import unrendered 3d models. And some people actually do.

      The gimp is awesome for the price. But seriously, unless you were hit by the arrow of the Cupid of Open Source (and hit hard), would you really choose the Gimp over photoshop if both were free? (Because they both are free)
    • vawksel, on 08/29/2008, -0/+6I'm sorry to say, but I use layer effects A TON. I can't draw worth ***** and layer effects get almost all the work done for me.

      I tried GIMP many times, and my productivity goes to *****, I spent a good 30 minutes exclusively looking on how to do something like layer effects, then realized. YOU CAN'T.
    • bjornski, on 08/29/2008, -0/+5Except for layer effects?

      Hell, if you took my layer tools away from me in Photoshop, I'd be just as well off using MS Paint.

      Hell, Paint.net is better at layers and such than GIMP. (and more. Paint.net rules). And it's free also. It's like Photoshop's little brother.

      http://www.getpaint.net/

      GIVE ME LAYERS OR GIVE ME DEATH!
    • whitey9, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3Keep living in that fantasy world.
  • Falldog, on 08/28/2008, -1/+10Maybe it's me, but reading through all I see are extensions to give it capabilities Photoshop already has...
    • dandonia, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2kinda the point as fireworks is a hell of a lot cheaper than photoshop.
  • wild, on 08/28/2008, -2/+9Photoshop is a better program than Fireworks, price be damned. But thats just the professional designer in me talking. (You know, its a tool of my trade, so price isn't that important.)

    Fireworks does a few things well, but it has a lot of major issues that prevent it from besting the combination of Photoshop and Illustrator.
    • ngmcs8203, on 08/29/2008, -1/+13Photoshop = photo manipulation (has other features too, but that's it's main use) and raster graphics
      Illustrator = Vector/Print graphics
      InDesign = Layout
      Fireworks = Web Graphics

      I absolutely hate it when we find a decent designer who is so adamant about doing everything in one piece of software. Adobe created the suite for a reason. When I'm working on something and have an outside designer send me a photoshop file when I ask for a vector file, they never get called back.

    • wild, on 08/29/2008, -0/+4Actually, Macromedia created Fireworks to compete with Adobe. And Photoshop started as a photo manipulation tool, but it has advanced to so much more than that.

      As for a designer sending you raster when you asked for vector, yea, he is a dumb ass. Like I said, you have to use to both programs. Seriously though, if I was doing work for you and you sent me a fireworks file, after I got done laughing at you, I would have to assess how serious your company is about doing design. Fireworks just doesn't have the nuance needed. I would work in it for you, but it would reflect poorly on your firm.
  • Borgcube636, on 08/28/2008, -3/+10Photoshop > Fireworks > Photoshop Elements
    • Meocross, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1Photoshop > Animation shop > Fireworks > Photoshop Elements
  • Ascendancy5, on 08/28/2008, -8/+7Fireworks > Photoshop? Ehh...
    • Meocross, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3Guys stop digging him down he was using sarcasm.
  • Eslamicolt3, on 08/29/2008, -10/+4Fine, I'll be the one to say it.

    http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3967056/Adobe_Phot ...

    :)
    • ExRe, on 08/29/2008, -3/+2Only morons use cracks.

      You are literally asking for people to install back doors into your system, which is what happens quite often.
      • Meocross, on 08/29/2008, -1/+2There is a thing called anti virus, learn to use it.
    • wukillabee, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1i pirated it with a leygen and uninstalled it when i realized it sucked balls for making gifs, nowhere near the level of imageready
      • Meocross, on 08/29/2008, -1/+1Use Camtasia studio and JASC animation shop when combined they can edit Video files and make AMV's or flashy Gifs quite easily.. just make sure your ram is 1GB or higher or you will suffer pain when rendering large files.
  • Greatn3ss, on 08/29/2008, -18/+14Can't afford Photoshop?

    www.mininova.org
    • bjornski, on 08/29/2008, -4/+16Or just get http://www.getpaint.net/

      It's so close to Photoshop, that unless you use custom filters all the time you won't notice (and there are plug-ins for that, too. Paint.net is open source, and there's new stuff for it all the time)
    • MikeSetera, on 08/29/2008, -11/+2Why are people riding the open source ***** train. There's no difference. Photoshop is free. Fireworks is free. There is no opportunity cost!
    • astronautje, on 08/29/2008, -1/+2ok, not because we all know it, it doesn't mean you have to advertise it!
  • Narcism, on 08/29/2008, -2/+1All these extensions are cheesy as *****. If the one time they're useful isn't worth getting Fireworks.
  • BrettFromTibet, on 08/29/2008, -4/+13Fireworks is SO MUCH better than Photoshop for your average CSS / Web designer. It is like a slimmed down cross between Photoshop and Illustrator with everything you need for the Web and leaving out what you don't. Photoshop is the right tool if you need to do photographic work, Fireworks is made especially for Web graphics - and it's lean and fast - not bloated. If I need a simple web design element... like a box or rounded corner.. I can have that thing drawn, sliced, diced and uploaded to the server by the time the loading credits of your Photoshop even appear.
    • mindsnare, on 08/29/2008, -0/+5I've always used Fireworks for graphics and slicing and dicing, I've never trusted it's exported HTML though, I do that part myself.
    • Corrosionx, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1Mmmm I like where you're going with this... I'm always for doing ***** faster...
    • an0nym0us, on 08/29/2008, -2/+1Wow, you must have a very slow computer... ;)
  • bonjourmr, on 08/29/2008, -1/+3It has always been good for quick and simple things!
  • cugs90, on 08/29/2008, -8/+1"we know that all the best graphic designers use it"

    LOL..... no.
  • nads, on 08/29/2008, -1/+11The problem with Fireworks is that it is Photoshop's much uglier step-sister, It's a part of the Adobe family but it's having difficulties fitting in because no one in the family is giving her any attention, until they do so, it will never fulfil it's potential of being intuitive and useful.

    (Damn... even Dr Phil would be proud of my psychology skills)
    • qster, on 08/29/2008, -1/+1I beg to differ!

      Firstly it's only part of the Adobe family because Adobe bought out Macromedia, Fireworks was quite happy until pimp daddy Adobe came along and decide Macromedia would be its bitch.

      The general consensus here seems to be that Fireworks is far more adept when working with web graphics, no it doesn't have all the bells and whistle that (god damn *****! I was typing then a pop up said are you sure you want to overwrite this file, now I canceled the whole process of 500 files.. because I type like a god damn ninja..***** it.. anyway)... it doesn't have all the bells and whistles that Photoshop does but they serve their own purpose far better than either other servers the other.... lolwat! :( I'm going to bed.
      • nads, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1It is good, but it won't be great until Adobe update the interface and introduce its benefits to users of Photoshop because if you're content with Photoshop you don't have the time to try and get used to the awkward way Fireworks works.

        That's where I stand on the issue, I want to learn the ins and outs of Fireworks because it is a powerful product but the interface just kills it for me.
    • joshman5k, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1Yeah, Fireworks is from a previous marriage
  • amed, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2firework is definitely easier to master than photoshop. I value firework for its simplicity, great performance over photoshop
    • HigherLogic, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1You can thank Macromedia for that. Thank god Adobe hasn't messed around with DW and FW's UI...yet.
      • Meocross, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1They have messed with the Icons, they WILL mess with the software soon enough.
  • marinebro0306, on 08/29/2008, -2/+71Who here DOESN'T have PhotoShop CS3?
    • bjornski, on 08/29/2008, -7/+2Me. I still use 7.0. Everything after that is clunky and bloated.
      • SoopaflySAM, on 08/29/2008, -0/+7Smart Object makes my life easier
      • DeathJux, on 08/29/2008, -1/+6Good luck trying to do a Photomerge in 7.0.
      • anagoge, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3Good luck ever needing to do a Photomerge.
      • chilidbz, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2I've used photomerge before, it saved me a lot of time.
      • bjornski, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1Haven't needed to do it before, but I'll have to look into it.

        I'll check it out. I don't do as much PS work as I used to, but a fun tool is still a fun tool. And knowing how to use it is always good.
      • BrianOl, on 08/29/2008, -1/+4Photomerge is a very useful feature if you are actually using Photoshop for what it is designed for and not just adding text to your god damn LOLcat pictures. It pisses me off when people keep calling Photoshop bloated just because they are too retarded to actually make use of the tools which make our job easier.
      • Apocalyptic0n3, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3Hate to break it to you, 7 is bloated too. I've used Photoshop 4-CS3 extensively and to get unbloated Photoshop, you need to hit up 5 or 6. Have fun with that. :)
      • bjornski, on 08/29/2008, -1/+1Well, was using it for multi-layer setups for a game design company. Biggest project was like 60-80 layers, just nuts stuff.

        I was able to do commercial work without the extra tools that were given. I guess they're nice, I just haven't used them. I can do a lot more than add text to a LOLcats with much smaller software. That's all.

        When you're good, you don't NEED all the extras anyway.
      • astronautje, on 08/29/2008, -1/+1right... the big "WHEN"
      • OpenRevolt, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1You are 100% right.

        Other than a few key features, you are better off using 7.0 for stability and speed.

        It's too bad there is no photoshop lite that is based on 7.0

        Unless Adobe does a major rewrite in the future I'm probably going to be switching over to Gimp with a custom GUI.
    • robharper, on 08/29/2008, -0/+15Legally?
    • kevyn, on 08/29/2008, -0/+4I use CS2... I don't think I would get much benefit from CS3 because I'm not a heavy user of it
    • Enron, on 08/29/2008, -1/+1Digg users are mindless Obama zombies who feel they should be entitled to free software and free healthcare without contributing anything to society.
      • kevyn, on 08/29/2008, -1/+1are you saying you can provide this for us?
    • innovati, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2Hey, long time open-source promoter and linux user - I bought CS3 Design Premium when I bought my mac....if you make good software I'll pay you to keep making new versions…
    • crhylove, on 08/29/2008, -0/+0Me. All of my clients. I have a total of one people I know that needs Photoshop CS2. They're used to it, and don't WANT to upgrade. Everyone else, myself, and about 50-60 other people, use, learn, edit, and love:

      The Gimp:

      http://portableapps.com/news/2008-08-25_-_gimp_por ...
  • DoctorFaust, on 08/29/2008, -1/+10What kinda landlubber be squanderin' his booty on somethin' that should be free anyway?

    Yarr.
    • se1zure, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2Pirate it if you want, but don't try to argue that it should be free. If Adobe made no profit off photoshop, then it wouldn't be photoshop (you would have the Gimp). Photoshop and in fact, the whole cs suite, is really well designed, and as far as I can tell, coded. I love how everything is able to work with all the other adobe file formats, making it easy to go straight from photoshop to after effects for video.

      Did I buy it? No, frankly I only do some freelance work, and it is not my Job, so it is not feasible for me to purchase it. Do I think it should be free? Hell NO! You would have to be an idiot like yourself to have such a thought.

      (And no, I also do not think it is overpriced. Adobe's fundamental sales structure is selling to design firms and serious design professionals, not 12 year old kids. Hell, I think photoshop has done more to bring interest in kids to the graphic design industry than all other image editors combined.)
      • innovati, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1the problem is photoshop, like the name suggests is a tool for photogaphy, like a camera. When you tell people: I do graphic design! the most commen answer they give you back is "oh, I have photoshop"

        I mean, how is that related? I have a camera and photoshop, but I also have CD's and iTunes! wow, such a designer!

        Now had they said illustrator, or inDesign I could undertsand…
  • midnightxdreams, on 08/29/2008, -4/+2I've been using Fireworks for years and I still like it more than Photoshop. Photoshop has been overrated.
  • lowtolerance, on 08/29/2008, -1/+10What a bunch of hyperbole. Yes, Fireworks can be better for designing web graphics than fireworks, because that's what it's made for! But it's not more powerful than photoshop, and no amount of plug-ins will change that.
  • BiLLtheButch3r, on 08/29/2008, -3/+4it is very, very expensive.

    *cough*torrent*cough*cough*

    The remedy is only a smooth sail to the bay of pirates.
  • Crabcakes12, on 08/29/2008, -3/+0i use both since i want to become a graphic designer sometime in the future.
    • ngmcs8203, on 08/29/2008, -0/+6Earth to Crabcakes, driving a Ferrari doesn't MAKE you rich.
      • airtonix, on 08/29/2008, -0/+0el oh el
      • astronautje, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1who cares?
        well i guess you, when you're looking at me and my ferrari with my beautyful wife.
        we'll maybe i will even care when i look at your broken down Fiat Uno. but hey, we both drive italian cars...
  • kurupttek, on 08/29/2008, -0/+4No software is expensive if you know where to look?
  • Phillyzero, on 08/29/2008, -0/+26Title: "It is better than Photoshop"
    Caption: "Yes, it can be almost as powerful."
    • santaliqueur, on 08/29/2008, -1/+3You pointing out errors in the submissions? You must be new here. Get used to them.
    • pjvandehaar, on 08/29/2008, -0/+0I think he was trying to say it's easier to use, especially for noobs. And maybe he was figuring the lower price into how good it was.
  • motifizzle, on 08/29/2008, -2/+3yea, wtf? like.. l2photoshop noobs. nobody says "I'm gonna fireworks a walrus into this vacation picture"
    that would be moronic... just go get a keygen for photoshop like any reputable business professional. takes like 30 seconds...
    • oli35, on 08/29/2008, -2/+1keygen for photoshop? every single one i've tried had viruses in them and/or they didnt work...well, at least on piratebay and mininova.
      • ngmcs8203, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2There are a few that boast they "promise" to be clean of bugs and the poster asks everybody for feedback... that one is clean.
    • santaliqueur, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1Business professionals use keygens? Most of them pay for the software with the money they make from working. Working is the thing you don't do, while you are jacking off to gay porn in your mom's basement.
      • chilidbz, on 08/29/2008, -0/+0Wait, what?
      • BrianOl, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1That part of his comment was tongue in cheek. Congratulations.
    • apull, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2Hm, actually, I *do* occasionally say "I fireworksed it in."
  • centran, on 08/29/2008, -6/+2generic comment on this is good and I must comment becuase I am submitters friend.
  • ILikeVagina, on 08/29/2008, -4/+2Fire - barely - works.
  • Zdorab, on 08/29/2008, -0/+10This story is definitely shopped.
  • Bamboolemur, on 08/29/2008, -0/+4I'm glad to see this article. I still remember a digg user replying to a comment I made with "who still used Fireworks?"

    lol.
  • eliburford, on 08/29/2008, -6/+4GIMP? Online alternatives such as the recent Pixlr? There are better options.
  • Sparky9292, on 08/29/2008, -0/+3I've been a long time Fireworks user since version 3.0. A few things to note about it.
    1. It has tons of integration into Dreamweaver.
    2. Has lots of specialized tools for slicing images for html and creating complex javascripts.
    3. Generally, you don't need Photoshop (images), or Illustrator (Vectors graphics) most of the time when you use FW.
    • cre8tivate, on 08/29/2008, -0/+0I absolutely agree. I rarely use Illustrator or Photoshop for web graphics. I've been designing websites with Fireworks since Beta 1 (1998) .

      Now that it is in the Adobe Family, it can truly make it's mark and earn its place in the graphics world. Adobe just needs to turn on its marketing engine to educate the Photoshop fanbois what Fireworks can do, why it is different than Photoshop, and why it's a necessary addition to CS.
    • astronautje, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2yeah... *sigh*

      about Dreamweaver...

      it's a wannawebdesigners way of saying: "i just can't do it sir, i admit, i can't read code..."
  • anyone4apint, on 08/29/2008, -8/+1MS Paint > Photoshop > Fireworks > GIMP > Paper & Pencil
    • astronautje, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2Photoshop >
      Fireworks >
      online apps >
      GIMP >
      paper&pencil >
      drawing in wet sand >
      drawing in your codensation on the window >
      drawing on the wall with your own poo >
      MS Paint
  • joshcxa, on 08/29/2008, -2/+13It would be hilarious if we see the news heading...
    ***** LOADS OF DIGGERS FINED FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENTS
  • mantis108, on 08/29/2008, -1/+4For web graphics, nothing beats Fireworks' "power to weight" ratio, and the learning curve is ridiculously short. If you're doing tons of photo stuff or are a PS expert and using CS3+, stick with Photoshop.
  • wedges, on 08/29/2008, -0/+6Fireworks is not a retouching tool. Thus, it's not comparable to Photoshop.
  • TheGreatBelow, on 08/29/2008, -1/+27God I miss Macromedia! ;-(
    • anagoge, on 08/29/2008, -0/+8Competition creates innovation
      Monopolisation creates stagnation
  • darkhero, on 08/29/2008, -0/+23Photoshop is free. Piratebay doesn't charge for it.
    • smackydoodle, on 08/29/2008, -2/+0I love how there's now a blurred line between free and theft.
      • doshindude, on 08/29/2008, -2/+3theft=taking something
        piracy=copying something without modifying the original.

        this is not theft.
      • gost3, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1if you stood next to someones car, and got all the bits and made an exact replica of their car next to theirs, then drove off in your replica... would the other person complain that you stole their car? piracy is very different to theft indeed.
      • innovati, on 08/29/2008, -1/+1not true, piracy = theft.

        You're not pirating the software, what you are doing is using another person's paid-for licence to use the software, not creating a new key that will work.

        Since there are only x number of keys, it becomes a tangible object again…
  • dubiousmike, on 08/29/2008, -0/+12I bought fireworks from a roadside stand and blew my fingers off. Top that Photoshop!
  • theremixtrack, on 08/29/2008, -3/+1Who pays for photoshop for real?
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